Mahon Pool amenities building

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Find out about the new Mahon Pool amenities building.

Randwick City Council is planning a new amenities building on the headland rock shelf in Jack Vanny Reserve, Maroubra, as part of its 2015-16 Capital Works budget.

The existing building is reaching the end of its usable life, is inadequate, lacks disability access and is too close to the rock shelf and cliff for safety. Council has decided to demolish the existing building and build new toilets and change rooms. When designing the new building, we needed to take account of the existing sewer pipe and the storm water drain.

This new public building will serve Mahon Pool and the Coastal Walkway users, Swim Club members and visitors to the Reserve.

To find out more:

  • you can post a question on this site by 31 March 2015 and Council will publish the question with an answer prepared by Council staff
  • meet Council's project staff on-site on Tuesday 17 March between 4pm and 6pm
  • phone our Buildings for our Community team on 1300 722 542.

The Q&A has now closed. Thank you to everyone who asked a question. We are still working on the responses to some questions and we will post answers to these outstanding questions as soon as possible.

Theis project is part of Randwick City Council's Buildings for our Community program.



Find out about the new Mahon Pool amenities building.

Randwick City Council is planning a new amenities building on the headland rock shelf in Jack Vanny Reserve, Maroubra, as part of its 2015-16 Capital Works budget.

The existing building is reaching the end of its usable life, is inadequate, lacks disability access and is too close to the rock shelf and cliff for safety. Council has decided to demolish the existing building and build new toilets and change rooms. When designing the new building, we needed to take account of the existing sewer pipe and the storm water drain.

This new public building will serve Mahon Pool and the Coastal Walkway users, Swim Club members and visitors to the Reserve.

To find out more:

  • you can post a question on this site by 31 March 2015 and Council will publish the question with an answer prepared by Council staff
  • meet Council's project staff on-site on Tuesday 17 March between 4pm and 6pm
  • phone our Buildings for our Community team on 1300 722 542.

The Q&A has now closed. Thank you to everyone who asked a question. We are still working on the responses to some questions and we will post answers to these outstanding questions as soon as possible.

Theis project is part of Randwick City Council's Buildings for our Community program.



CLOSED: This discussion has concluded.
  • I would like to ask the Council to consider re-designing the proposed amenities block so as to set it into the hill between the current block and the carpark. I make this request on the basis that this amenities block is situated on arguably one of the best ocean coastlines of any city in the world. Therefore, as custodians of such a treasure, we need to make decisions that protect the environment from development that is not conducive to such a position. And I believe that to highlight an amenities block in front of such a magnificent view, shows no respect for its unique position. Therefore, I’m asking that Council search for ways to hide this amenities block rather than to highlight it. My suggestion would do that. A little creative thinking could design something that sits beautifully into the landscape and serves us well. If we make a good decision here and now, I believe that we will be thanked by generations to come and by tourists from all over the world, who visit our area. I would suggest that a lovely scenic viewpoint could be created on the roof of the building. Construction would not have to be prohibitive. Excavation would be easy and no soil would have to be removed from the site. It could be mounded up to help build the facility in. Rather than just building a dressing shed/toilet block, let’s build a sensational one… • One that people come to look at • One that wins an award • One that doesn’t impinge up[on our beautiful landscape/seascape • One that generations to come thank us for. Thank you for your consideration. Yours sincerely, Rev Neil Wykes (Pastor Maroubra Baptist Church) 0412 922 969

    Rev Neil asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments. We will be taking your ideas into account in developing the detailed designs for the project. Council agrees with you on the need to reduce as much as possible the visual impact of the amenities building in the landscape. In addition to moving the amenities from their current location, we are looking at other ways we can do this. We are trying to achieve a balance between the beauty of the site, the aesthetics of the building, cost, the access to existing services, public amenity and safety.

  • I live in the local area, will there be any child or family changeroom/toilets in the new design? Also will you have any external showers?

    as asked about 2 years ago

    The accessible toilet will have a baby change table. We will ask the architect to look at the possibility of having an external shower as part of the development of the detailed designs.

  • As an active Seals Winter Swimming Club member who uses the Club Room and Mahon Pool on over 200 days per year and resides on Marine Parade adjacent to Jack Vanny Reserve, I welcome the opportunity to comment on the provisional plans for new Amenities buildings on this site. The shape and position of the current Club and Shower buildings has offered users of this area a wonderfully sheltered haven in most weather conditions. Swimmers and fishermen who have found themselves in difficulties over the years have been grateful that the wide view of the pool and surrounds from these buildings has meant that help was often close at hand. Club members would like the proposed buildings to be as close to the cliff-face as is practical. In this preliminary proposal, the buildings appear to be pushed back about 15 metres from the cliff, which will reduce visibility of the pool from the buildings a great deal. Of major concern to regular and casual users is the lack of a functional wind-break parallel to the ocean front. With little protection from the S and SE winds so common here especially in winter, it is likely that the larger open area between the buildings and cliff may be under-utilised. Would it be feasible to incorporate a natural windbreak here using local stone and vegetation to make the open space more user-friendly? Are there alternative ways to minimise this unpleasant wind factor and hence make this area more welcoming on windy days?

    relics asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments. We will discuss your comments with the architects when developing the detailed designs for the project, with the aim of finding the best ways to address these issues.


  • Dear council,as a local residents think that it is great that you are building new bathroom facilites cos they are much needed but WE REALLY DO NOT NEED another cafe to be built as there are already many cafes along the beach. Maybe we could have a Bbq area built down there for families and everyone to use and little huts to sit at????

    Lia asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for your comments regarding the café. The project is for replacing the existing facilities and does not include bbqs or the construction of huts.

  • This is not a question, it is an opinion from a local resident. I think the proposed idea for the much needed new amenities block is essentially acceptable, but would like to see more consideration for the building to blend into the area in a more natural & sympathetic way. This could easily be achieved by simply adding texture & colouring to the walls similar to the existing sandstone in the area. As well, natural landscaping using large sandstone rocks and coastal grasses and shrubs could be added to the south /southeast for a natural wind break, perhaps with the addition of a few bench seats. In regards to the "cafe" proposed by some people , what local would want to commercialise the area when it is so beautiful as it is? There is a cafe about to open across the road and more than enough cafes/restaurants a few minutes walk away at the main beach. There are also many BBQ's at the beach and in the parkland just behind the beach - we do not need them in the Jack Vanny Reserve - Adding BBQ's would be defeating the purpose of keeping this area a natural parkland area to be enjoyed by all, ie. walking, family picnics, swimmers, dog walkers, exercise groups, quiet meditation , people just enjoying the sunshine & view, etc. In this urban environment we live in, it is important for people to keep in touch with nature. Jack Vanny Reserve is one of the last natural areas available - let's keep it that way..

    reefheron asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments and suggestions. As we said in response to similar comments, Council agrees with you about the need to minimize as much as possible the visual impact of the amenities building in the landscape. We are looking at the different ways we can do this.

  • The amenities should be built into the hillside directly behind the existing with a similar concept as those at the north end of the promenade at Maroubra Beach. Many reasons why some of which are * Use of existing amenities while constructing new. *Low ongoing maintenance. * Access from the car park for day to day cleaning instead of driving through the park. * Views from the Coastal Walkway would be of the pool and coastline rather than a toilet block. A rare opportunity for the community and Council to remove a toilet block as a feature on the headland with restoration of an open space for all to enjoy the coastline.

    I care asked about 2 years ago

    Council agrees with you about the need to minimize as much as possible the visual impact of the amenities building in the landscape. In addition to moving the site away from its current prominent location, we are looking at a number of other ways we can do this. These include the texture and colours of the construction materials, and landscaping.

  • Dear Council, Thank you for upgrading the facilities. I think you should consider building the amenities Into the hill to the right of the current amenities. It would not affect the landscape horizon and the toilets would appear hidden. And people could even walk over the top. You could then return the stone headland to it's natural state. WE DON'T NEED A CAFE , there is one about to open across the road. What would be good is if you put solar panels on the roof to provide hot water for showers.

    rflynn asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments.Council agrees with you about the need to minimize the visual impact of the amenities building in the landscape and is looking at the best ways of doing this. Where we locate the new building is constrained by the existing storm water drain and sewer line. If we were to have a building where people could walk on the roof, we would have to install safety fencing on the edge, which would add to the visual intrusion.On installing solar panels, Council has a number of community buildings with solar panels, but we are not proposing to include them in this project due to the high risk of vandalism.

  • Dear council, as a local resident I think it's great that you are updating the toilet facilities but a cafe is not needed there are enough cafes in the area and we should keep the headlands as is. Would it be possible to have a big area or a gym facility?

    dazza asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for taking the time to comment and ask this question. We are not including a gym as part of the project as we are providing a "like for like" facility; that is replacing the old facilities with with similar new facilities. Council had proposed an outdoor gym next to the car park a few years ago, however there was a lack of community support for this, so we moved the outdoor gym project down to Maroubra Beach, near the skate park.

  • Awesome these buildings are getting an update. This is a community facility and council has done a great job involving us in the plans. Can you please give the local community even more 'ownership' by including local schools & clubs? I have seen similar buildings with a tiled mosaic feature that was the work of the local primary school- as an example. Local artist, local clubs may sponsor viewing chairs or similar items. It might be a way to reduce the cost of the project? Public facilities that are 'enhanced' by the local community are less likely to be vandalised. Cheers

    Adelaide6 asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for your comments and suggestions on ways we can get community ownership of the project and reduce vandalism. Council will consider options for incorporating your ideas as the project develops.


  • could you please consider installing solar panels on the rooves of the shower blocks-for a realtively small outlay there will be big benefits for the many pool users/seals club members who use the pool in winter

    cookm asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for this suggestion. Randwick Council does have a number of community buildings with solar panels, including our Works Depot and Randwick Town Hall. However we are not planning to install solar panels on this particular building, due to the high risk of vandalism.


  • While I welcome the fact that Council has now agreed to spend $1.4 mill on replacement of the amenities block and the swimming clubs building I am very disappointed with the proposed plans submitted for public consultation and spoken to by Council staff at the March meeting of the Maroubra Beach Precinct Committee. At earlier meetings of the Precinct Committee ( attended by several councillors) it was made very clear that the community expectation was that the replacement buildings would be constructed lower down the slope so as not to visually impair the view from Marine Parade or Vanny Reserve. The proposed location of the new buildings does not meet with community expectations and it is disappointing that only one design option has been submitted for public consultation - seemingly driven by cost rather than good design and community perspective. The architects engaged for this project have undertaken other similar projects ( such as the amenities block for Tamarama - which blends in very well with the natural landscape - is functional - and aesthetic in design) and surely Council and its consultants are capable of better than this mediocre design concept. The issue of incorporating a café facility into the design has also generated a lot of divisive comment and I will remain neutral on this topic. However at last years Precinct committees it was a suggestion by Councillors in attendance that a BBQ facility would be considered as part of the proposal - this has not occurred .It is also concerning that the cost of this project has blown out to $1.4 mill when last year the cost was estimated at around $800000. Just how did the cost escalate by such magnitude and will community requests for alternative design concepts be made available for public consultation before a final decision is made by Council. John Burgess

    John Burgess asked about 2 years ago

    Thank you for taking the time to make these comments. Council’s Buildings For Our Community Budget for 2014/15 stated, in relation to the Mahon Pool facilities, “the proposal is to be funded by the deferral of upgrade works to Heffron Park South amenities building” and the budget for that was $1.4 million.

    We will review all the comments and questions from the community when developing the detailed designs for this project and keep the community updated through this site and through Council's eNews.

  • I am unsatisfied with your responses – neither online nor during the meeting on March 23. Many people are asking the same questions all over again and the answers are either not provided or are misleading. Therefore I am asking these questions in a numbered form, will publish them as an open letter to Randwick Council on your Facebook page and request concrete answers on each of them: A. On March 25, 2014 the Randwick Council has decided to (I quote): …once the project has sufficient funding in future years, two proposals be developed for the site and be subject to a comprehensive community consultation process. The community consultation process will be used to determine which proposal then proceeds to development application. The two proposals are: 1. New building/s incorporating public toilets, public change rooms, storage for Randwick City Council and a clubroom. 2. New building/s incorporating public toilets, public change rooms, storage for Randwick City Council, a clubroom and a café. Question. Why the two proposals haven’t been presented to the public for consultation? B. On April 29, 2014 – just a month later, the decision is made to withdraw a café option from the plans. Question. What has happened in a month and why the previous decision has been changed? C. During the meeting on March 23, 2015 at the Maroubra Beach Precinct Committee it was revealed by the Randwick Council representatives that a budget for the upgrade work has been approved. However on a direct question what is the budget they could not give a concrete answer. From public sources available on Randwick Council site the budget has grown from $900K in 2014 to $1.4M in 2015. Question. What is the budget and why Randwick Council representatives responsible for the project were not able to answer this question? D. During the discussion on March 23, 2015 many of the attendees expressed their concern about the proposed plans. It was clear that there is a need for a substantial review of the entire process and not just the existing plan. A recommendation to set a tender process with active participation of the public has been made and supported by majority of attendees. Question. How Randwick Council is proceeding with the recommendation of tendering the project and involve public in the process?

    a925 asked about 2 years ago

    You can see the list of reports, motions and resolutions on this project in the “timeline of Council decisions” on this site and the full reports and minutes of Council meetings can be found by going to Council business papers

    We are able to give you the following information in response to your questions:

    1. The report to the Ordinary Council Meeting on 25 March 2014 stated that once there was sufficient funding, two proposals could be developed for the site and subject to a comprehensive community consultation process. The two proposals were:

    · New building/s incorporating public toilets, public change rooms, storage for Randwick City Council and a clubroom.

    · New building/s incorporating public toilets, public change rooms, storage for Randwick City Council, a clubroom and a café.

    However, in response to this report, the Council only resolved that:

    · “The Mahon Pool amenities upgrade be considered in the 2015/16 budget”.

    Council staff are required to develop the project within the framework of the Council resolution. The resolution did not mention the two options and therefore work on the exploring these did not proceed.

    2. The report to the Ordinary Council Meeting on 29 April 2014 recommended that the Draft Budget for 2014-15 be placed on public exhibition.

    The Resolution from the Ordinary Council Meeting of 29 April 2014 was: “Council proceed with the Mahon Pool toilet block and change room facilities, without the café, in this budget and that this be funded by the deferral of the Heffron Park amenities building”.

    The draft 2014-15 Council Budget was placed on exhibition for community comment and submissions. Special efforts are made each year to engage all our precinct committee meetings on the development and review of Council’s annual budget. After reviewing all comments and submissions, the 2014-15 Budget was adopted by the Council at its meeting on 24 June 2014. The reasons for Council’s decisions are not included in the minutes for Council meetings and the recordings of the meetings are only kept for 3 months following the meetings.

    3. Council officers present at the Maroubra Beach precinct meeting on 23 March did not have the costings for the project with them. The budget for the project is $1,406,100. This figure is the amount previously earmarked for the Heffron Park amenities building, see point 2 above.

    4. The construction of the new amenities building will be subject to a tender process. In the current engagement process, Council used a number of platforms to engage and listen to the community. These included the “Your Say” website, on-site meetings with Council officers, individual written comments, eNews and social media postings, feedback at the Maroubra Beach Precinct Committee meeting and meeting with the Maroubra Seals Winter Swim Club. We will review all of the comments and questions as part of developing the detailed designs for the project.


  • I am at a loss to understand why anyone would be wanting a cafe to spoil our beautiful headland? Clearly these people must be new to the area otherwise they would know the people voted overwhelmingly against it just a few years ago. I for one was one of the many that attended the public meeting where the majority vote was against a cafe, and yes there was a petition with over 2,000 signatures against it as well. This is why council was forced to abandon the idea. For those of you who still don't understand what that means, it's called "democracy". I have spoken to many other locals and they have not changed their mind whatsoever so I am in no doubt we would all rally once more to stop this nonsense once and for all. Let's hope council has the good sense to stick with it's current plans. Having said that I am pleased council is upgrading the toilet amenity and my question is, will the Winter Seals Club be financially contributing to the development. Jin Yi

    JY asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for your comments. Council fully funds such facilities and the Winter Swim Club will not be contributing financially.

  • Hello again, I asked a question 4 days ago in regards to the siting of the new building compromising the use of the park behind it. I am afraid you have not answered my question at all nor have you addressed any of the issues I raised. There is no doubt that in siting any new building there are many issues to consider such as the preservation of views, access, services etc...Generally good buildings are designed to meet all the functional aspects whilst enhancing their locality and immediate environment. The new change room building appears too bulky relative to the existing amenities and its will not positively impact on its surroundings. It will compromise the use of the park behind it by cutting off views and presenting the park with a long blank wall. Has this aspect been considered in the design? Please provide a specific answer.

    J2035 asked about 2 years ago

    Council appreciates your raising these concerns. We’ll will be looking these issues, including the shading and the visual impacts on the park, as part of the next stage of the project, which is the design development process.


  • Perhaps something should be done about the toilet block at LaPerouse - absolutely disgraceful for such a popular site, especially frequented by so many tourists

    scrapstrial asked about 2 years ago

    Thank you for this comment. Council has allocated funding for this project in the 2016/17 Buildings For Our Community budget.


  • Dont change anything. Why does everything have to be modernised, rebuilt etc. There is nothing wrong with the brick buildings as they are.

    AndrewB asked about 2 years ago

    The existing buildings have degraded over the years due to the coastal environment. They do not provide equal access for members of our community and are too close to the cliff edge for safety.

  • Why don't you lease the land for a PPP to build a cafe under the condition that they provide all required facilities - like public toilets and storage/service space for the Council? Will cost nothing, apart from legal costs...

    vladas_leonas@hotmail.com asked about 2 years ago

    Thanks for this suggestion. As we have said in response to previous questions on the subject of the café, Council voted not to include a café in this proposal in 2014. You can see the evolution of this project in the timeline we have put up on the Council reports and decisions on the Mahon Pool amenities building.

  • I have examined the plans & it appears to me that the new building too large & sited too far North. Why is there the need for a Winter swim club Facility ? In my opinion this is where new Bld. Should be situated (wc's & change rooms only)

    engineer Steve asked about 2 years ago

    What we are doing is planning is to replace the buildings on a "like to like" basis. However we have had to adjust the design to meet current building standards, which includes making the facilities fully accessible. The new site has been chosen because it is close to the existing site, takes account of the existing sewer line and storm water drain, reduces the visual impact of the facility in the landscape, is close to the Coastal Walkway and car park, and moves the facility away from the rock ledge. The Winter Swim Club contributes to community well-being and a healthy lifestyle for our residents, is open to anyone to join and has been on this site for decades.

  • Why are so many people opposed to the inclusion of a cafe? You couldn't ask for a more suitable location: north facing ocean views, a large carpark nearby, a pool down below.

    Gerard Baz asked about 2 years ago

    Council voted not to include a café in this proposal in 2014. You can see the evolution of this project in the timeline we have put up on the Council reports and decisions on the Mahon Pool amenities building.

  • 8 out of 10 questions are about cafe on site. The only answer is council discussion. I looked at the discussion. Not sure why it's called a discussion. It has few numbers there. Cost of the toilet upgrade - $900K, Now it's $1.4M. Cost of a cafe - $2,740K. Where did this number come from? Did the council go for a tender? What would it be rented for? Was it considered as getting it built by a proprietor and leased out for 10 years without paying rent? The same as tennis courts are renovated for example.

    a925 asked over 2 years ago

    We have uploaded a timeline to this site that summarizes Council's key decisions and reports on this project between 2008 and 2014.

  • I note that almost all the comments regarding this development are about including a cafe or a kiosk in it. When I looked up the minutes of the meeting, all it shows is the numbers of Council members who voted. Please display the record of actual discussion which took place, as it is a bit difficult to comprehend why so many of them voted against a cafeteria to be part of this development. Also, it is good to know how the interests of people living in this area where represented and what the reasoning was for/against the motion.

    JZ asked over 2 years ago

    We have uploaded a timeline to this site that summarizes Council's key decisions and reports on this project between 2008 and 2014.

  • In view of the spectacular coastal location, would it be possible to design the new facilities with a light hand (as distinct from the solid heavy and outdated approach evident in the present buildings)?

    Quiet Streets asked over 2 years ago

    The plans are at conceptual stage only and we will certainly be looking at a sensitive approach to the context as part of the design development.

  • I am also a rate payer for Randwick Council and welcome the planned renovation of the amenity. The toilet blocks are in desperate need of a renovation and the current plans seem to remedy that without changing the landscape. Although I do not agree with some posts that would like a cafe. What local would want to over commercialise such a beautiful headland? We have more than enough food outlets in the area. Let's keep this park for the locals and not turn it into a Bondi disaster. Are there any plans for BBQs &/or some seating?

    Vasso Vardis asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments. We have uploaded a timeline of the key reports and decisions of Council on the development of new facilities for Mahon Pool.

    The scope of this project does not include bbqs. The design of the forecourt area is yet to be finalised.


  • I have lived and worked in the area for over 50 years. I use the toilets/change rooms most days after work before I do some laps.Can you please not destroy the two stone staircases leading down to the toilets or relocate them?

    Maryjane asked over 2 years ago

    We may be able to re-use the stone from the staircases in the construction of the new amenities, however it is not possible to retain the existing staircases as the development must comply with present-day building and access standards.

  • I am very concerned about the siting of the new male & female WC/Change rooms, as this new block will severely compromise the use of the well shaded park behind it. Currently this area of park is heavily utilised due to its elevated and shaded position. Some of the best views can be enjoyed from this spot. The newly proposed change room block will wipe out those views by forming a solid wall going all the way along this section of the park. This block will be an unwelcome large protrusion into what is currently a park area that connects well with the pool. This new block as shown on the plans will sever this connection and compromise the views. Consequently people would be looking at a blank wall. The existing facilities albeit old and in need of repair are not as intrusive as the new proposed facility and it is possible that many people don't realise how far north this new building will extend, going all the way to the path that leads to the pedestrian crossing. Further, this proposed building, by dividing areas that are now linked, can potentially lead to safety and security issues for users of the pool outside the busy peak hours.

    J2035 asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for sharing your concerns. In locating the new amenities building, we need to limit potential impacts on views from surrounding properties and take account of where the existing services are. We also need to be close to the car park and road but maintain reasonable proximity to Mahon Pool. The design has also sought to limit the impact on the rock face on which the building is to be located, provide for good surveillance from the road for public safety and be set back a reasonable distance from the cliff edge.

  • I welcome the transparency of the consultation period, excellent job! Two questions: 1) What environmental standards will you be working to in terms of materials used, waste created, energy supply etc as ideally this is an opportunity for investment into it to be carbon neutral using storm water for toilets and solar panels for energy output etc. 2) Can you create somewhere for bikes to be locked to please? 3) Will there be lockers in the facility for personal items? Many thanks

    shelleywaldock asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for these comments. With regard to your first point we will be considering all these when developing the detailed designs for the building. The provision of bike racks and lockers are not included in the scope of the proposal.


  • Further to my last email forgot to ask my question, will council be putting barbeques in the park?

    Pete Longin asked over 2 years ago

    No, bbqs are not included in the scope of the proposed work for replacing the toilets. During May, Council’s Budget for 2015-16 will be on public exhibition for comment. You are most welcome to make a comment on having bbqs installed. We will be having a special Your say Randwick for the budget, similar to this site, and will be advertising asking for comments on the draft budget.


  • I am also a rate payer for Randwick Council and welcome the planned renovation of the amenity. I do not however agree with a cafe. A few years ago the local residents submitted a petition to council "against" a cafe with over 2,000 signatures. Furthermore a meeting was held by local residents at the surf club and again the majority voted against a cafe. There will be a new cafe across the road to service the area and we don't need a commercial operation on our beautiful and peaceful headland.

    Pete Longin asked over 2 years ago

    Council resolved in 2014 not to include a café in the proposal.

  • You are not proposing to put a cafe on the site are you?A few years back there was a huge protest about the commercialisation of the site.There are many cafes in the vicinity and we do not need any more.Just let the beauty of the area speak for itself.

    S Duncan asked over 2 years ago

    Council resolved in 2014 not to include a café in the proposal.

  • As a rate payer for Randwick Council, I welcome the renovations planned for the amenities block at Mahon Pool.It is a great community resource. Even for non swimmers the area is a beautiful spot to walk through and relax. The idea of adding a cafe is also welcome, however I would not want to see an upmarket cafe allowed to be part of the block. A casual cafe where you can get take away beverages or just sit at an outdoor table for sandwiches etc is much more suited to this area. While the council has prepared a thorough and easy to understand proposal for the amenities block I do find it a bit remiss that the aerial photo of the present block and car park is so out of date that the changes to the car park and addition of the cement path through the park is not shown. These changes were completed about two years ago. Surely there would be an up to date photo available. vic2035

    vickimcdowell asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for the comments. As noted with others who have urged the inclusion of a cafe, Council resolved on 29 April 2014 in part that “Council proceed with the Mahon Pool toilet block and change room facilities, without the café….”

    You can see the Council report with discussion on this project at:

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_AGN_AT_WEB.HTM

    with the relevant minute on this report at:

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_MIN.HTM#PDF2_ReportName_11519

    The aerial photo used dates from 2012.


  • I note Gil's comments re a cafe on the site with which I agree. I also note Council's response. What was the basis of Council's decision in 2014 not to include a cafe or at least a kiosk in the plans? As a resident and regular walker along the coastal strip I would have thought there is no downside to this sort of amenity. It does not seem logical that Council is supporting the provision of facilities for a club that serves a few and not an amenity which would serve many and contribute to the local economy.

    Craig Phillips asked over 2 years ago

    On 29 April 2014, Council resolved, in part that “Council proceed with the Mahon Pool toilet block and change room facilities, without the café….”

    You can see the relevant Council report that resulted in this resolution at

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_AGN_AT_WEB.HTM

    and the minute of the resolution at:

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_MIN.HTM#PDF2_ReportName_11519

    Council provides facilities for a variety of community and sports groups, on the understanding that they contribute to community well-being and a healthy lifestyle for our residents. The swimming club has supported winter swimming for over 50 years and is open for membership. There is no change of use for this site and the new facility is providing a “like for like facility’, replacing the old building with one of similar size. This will remain a community building.


  • Why can't we have a nice, modern and innovative architecture like the building at Tamarrama beach?

    christine Pingot asked over 2 years ago

    The architect firm for this project are the same firm who worked on the Tamarama amenities building and the final design is still being developed.


  • it's unfortunate you're not including a cafe / restaurant in the overall design. what was the council's reason for not incorporating a cafe into the design?

    mjpm asked over 2 years ago

    On 29 April 2014, Council resolved, in part that “Council proceed with the Mahon Pool toilet block and change room facilities, without the café….”

    You can see the relevant Council report that resulted in this resolution at

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_AGN_AT_WEB.HTM

    and the minute of the resolution at:

    http://businesspapers.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Open/2014/03/OC_25032014_MIN.HTM#PDF2_ReportName_11519

  • Can you request that the Architect specify all locally manufactured Australian construction material? Consider using a green Australian natives roof for insulation and low visual impact and wall construction materials that colour match the local Hawkesbury sandstone outcrops. Also please include for rainwater water harvesting and bike racks.

    LesMillist asked over 2 years ago

    Your concerns on the use of locally constructed materials, is one that Council shares. We are currently developing general building specifications and the following clause on “Shop Local and Sustainability Policy” relates directly to this:

    “Council has adopted a policy to utilise local suppliers and/or Australian made products, recycled (or partly recycled) products and energy efficient/clean (waste minimising) technologies, where possible, taking price, quality and other relevant considerations into account”.

    We will take care to use materials and a colour palette sensitive to the coastal environment.

    Bike racks are not included in the proposal as the building is not on a cycle path. Given the sensitive coastal location, we are not proposing rainwater tanks because of the potential impact on views from surrounding properties and vegetation loss at the rear of the site. Unfortunately, it is not feasible to excavate into the rock shelf for any underground tanks.

  • The proposed toilets, showers etc looks good, but I know will definitely attract more campervans in summer.

    LouLou asked over 2 years ago

    To reassure you, the amenities building will be locked at night and Council rangers each morning will continue to patrol this, along with all our beach side car parks, on the alert for overnight campers.

  • Can you add some huts and BBQ areas at Jack Vanny Reserve?

    LouLou asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for the suggestions which are similar those made by Madeleine. At this stage the designs are for the building and forecourt space only, replacing the existing buildings. We have yet to finalise the designs for the external spaces.


  • Hi, I am a very happy local resident glad to hear that something is being done to fix up the amenities at Mahon Pool. I have a small child and will really appreciate having better toilet and change room facilities. Will the council be considering creating bbq facilities with family friendly landscaping/tables with landscaping/planting to make them less wind exposed? I remember an earlier plan to upgrade the facilities included a cafe - which I also support. Many thanks, Madeleine Hetherton

    MadeleineH asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Madeleine,
    Thanks for these comments about the toilets and change room, and for the suggestions about park facilities and landscaping. At this stage the designs are for the building and forecourt space only. We have yet to finalise the designs for the external spaces. This is a special site and we are making sure that any designs for new landscape elements are sensitive to this location.

  • Why are ratepayers funding facilities for the winter swimming club? This does not appear to be a proper use of ratepayer funds. Presumably these facilities would site idle 6.5 days per week in winter and totally unused in summer? Why would this club be given such a facility? Or will this be a commercial arrangement to use it only when they have swimming events and it will be commercially available to other users for the 95% of the year when the swimming club is not using it? Has any other uses of this facility been considered in determining the impact on neighbours and traffic?

    stevejackson2035 asked over 2 years ago

    Council provides facilities for a variety of community and sports groups, on the understanding that they contribute to community well-being and a healthy lifestyle for our residents. The swimming club has supported winter swimming for over fifty years and is open for membership. There is no change of use for this site and the new facility is providing a “like for like facility”, replacing the old building with one of similar size. This will remain a community building.

  • That’s great news! Can the new building be tucked into the hillside so it’s not so intrusive in the landscape

    over 2 years ago

    This is a question that a resident (Stephen) asked. Our staff working on the project have responded - " yes, it has been set back taking into account underground services and costs while maintaining appropriate distance from the adjacent embankment, car park and coastal walkway".

  • Great idea. Please add a café in your planning like the one at the Crab Hole at Bondi or Whylies at Coogee.. Will be nice for the swimmers and walkers to stop and have a toastie and coffee. Any profits would go to maintenance, so a win win. Nows the time to add in the café with the building plans/process. This will attract more walkers so the shops at Maroubra will have more business. Cheers Gil

    skippy14 asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for this comment. Council resolved in 2014 not to include a cafe in the new building.

  • One of the nicest things about the current facility is the ability to sit outside the winter swim club in the winter sun and look at the water, protected from the wind. Will there still be such an area with bench seating in the new facilities?

    Xanthe asked over 2 years ago

    We agree - it's a wonderful place to sit and take in the view. As the building is set further back on the rock shelf, there will be a larger area for sitting. We havn't finalised the design of the external spaces as yet, but we will keep your point in mind.


  • I see many dubious characters going into the block. I hope the new entrances will be a bit more visible.

    valerie asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for this question - the first to come in about this project. The design has a more open form, which allows for greater surveillance and clear visibility from Jack Vanny Reserve. Council staff will have some drawings with them on the drop-in day on 17 March between 4 and 6 pm where you can see how this would work.